The reason I use the link app is because it is the only way I can see what gear I am in, or change from one set of gear ratios to another. Your email address will not be published. That’s pretty much expected with any power meter comparison. Having a bear of a time getting one of these up in Alaska. Recommended Settings - Kinomap. He was unable to explain why or suggest a solution except not to use ERG mode. I think you kinda have to divide the future-proofing into different sections: A) Software: Most of them have tons of flexibility here. But at the end of the day, you might just be wondering “What does Ray use when not testing new products?”. That’s the same internals as the ATOM v2. As someone who also started out cycling from a very overweight perspective I can tell you that its likely the saddle/soreness will be your limiting factor. Phoning from the UK is expensive and not ideal as I am partially deaf. The Stages bike supports 165mm, 170mm, 172.5mm, and 175mm crank arm sizing, via the bear-paw design. As usual, I put the bike up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. Either way, if you found this review useful you can hit up the links at the bottom. I’ve had mine for a couple weeks now, and ERG mode is still pretty unstable. I have been using the SC3 with Rouvy with and without Training Peaks workouts and aside from not having ERG, I settled on saying I’m fine with this setup. Plus the cost of a Peloton All-Access Membership ($39/mo). The product review was one of the reasons I bought the bike. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. A combination that seems to be quite common outside. Sadly whilst the Stages bike is a rock solid build it seems the software can be a problem. thank you. Stages said that they’re working on the stability/smoothing aspects already (which should just be a software fix), and so hopefully we’ll see that simmer down a bit going forward. Don’t even need earphones now! With that, I’ve had one now in the DCR Cave for almost two months and have been putting it through its paces with workouts 3-5 times a week. Which, in some ways is true, but that’s also not the point of ERG mode. Like all these bikes, it’ll require power to fully take advantage of all its features – namely resistance control and broadcasting of data. It was clearly: “This bike box is ready for war – we’re gonna pack this thing to fall out the back of an airplane and still survive!”. The product review was one of the reasons I bought the bike. Once fixed, the noise is gone. Its gone from “1.8.3+850” to “1.9.2+2629”. When people think of the best Spin bike, two brands come to mind: Peloton and the Spinner Shift Commercial by Mad Dogg Athletics. With dual BT functionality these days its less of an issue but it can be maddening sometimes when your app won’t see a device, all cos your phone in your pocket is holding onto a connection . It’s not rideable. I am curious have you had experience with or feedback about replacing the power meters on the crank arms? If it was just for me I would probably go kickr but my wife will use to more like a spin bike so I’m thinking the SB20 might be better option for both uses. It was almost like the bike was built with two cranks, which then got swapped, because I can think of no other reason why “scan for cranks” would bring up 4. And it looks like their merge process deleted those tickets Stages has no intention of responding to. My bike is an early SN and the flywheel is fine. It takes 8/9 days to get a response to a ticket and any other e-mail follow up is just ignored. 4) Handlebar position (forward/back) But it’s less than ideal to be so variable, because my workout called for 300w which is a specific zone. That’s a big bummer, as they really help you feel like the shift is made. The Stages Bike doesn’t have that, and it’s something I kinda have come to enjoy. Whist the bike is quality the software is not. Thanks, At the end of the day, I’m an athlete just like you looking for the most detail possible on a new purchase – so my review is written from the standpoint of how I used the device. Anyone know if there are French language classes on Peloton (Canadian? I e-mailed him on Dec 4 , 3 times since, and have raised two tickets. That way it’s just there for whoever jumps on the bike. One or both of the plastic covers for the hoods was not placed perfectly when your bike was assembled, and the hood cover is pressing down one of the shifter buttons. There’s no way I can see to quick-change saddles, but perhaps I’m missing something. I also just put together my complete ‘Gear I Use’ equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). After all, most head unit companies already support it today. The software side is better (?). I should connect to the bike, and then it should know what the crank arms are, and go off and update them. Stages advantage: Durability, no leg rub. eventually, after spending nearly an hour trying different things, i was able to connect and get my training ride in. There is, however, a built-in screen to pipe video of live daily classes to you, as well as access to Peloton’s library of five to 90-minute sessions. How does doing inventory take priority over a customer with a DOA defective non-functioning product? Any improvement to ERG mode you’ve noticed? Bluetooth Smart Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard BLE power meter with cadence. It’s just simulating different gearing. Hi Ray, I read your and other tests on various smart bikes. Only need power and cadence on Garmin to get my training load. Should arrive in 3/4 days!! Wanna save some cash and support the site? Key downsides to the Wahoo to me seem to be the thigh rub (which would really bug me) and it just looks really rickety under load in all the videos I’ve seen. Oh, that’s weird on crank ID’s. My second question relates to the USB ports. They’ve shipped over to me, so once I have them in-hand I’ll go ahead and update this post to show how they work. As of right now the latest firmware is still v1.9.2, which was released toward the end of July, and didn’t include any updates related to ERG mode: Maybe I’ll get a smart trainer down the line or the SB20 in a few years, but I have power like on the actual bike for now and the SC3 is a tank and my bikes get to live free and outside as intended. Do stages provide anything similar for the SB20? Oh, and before you ask why I haven’t included some products into the above – here’s the quick and dirty answers: Peloton Bike: It’s not a ‘smart’ bike in the sense of the above, it doesn’t allow you to set a specific power level (it does tell you the current power level). Have you been able to test more recent FW releases? In ZWIFT the crawler gears are not availabe, so for me as a woman no chance to do a hill climb…. Just to round out this question, it wouldn’t be possible for Stages to do the road-feel like bits that Tacx does, since they can’t stutter the flywheel since it’s not electromagnetic. And, I’d argue – really re-enforces the need for a gear shifting display. Wattbike is definitely a ‘low-maintence’ kinda product. In the case of a SIM mode ride in Zwift, it’s largely a non-event (more on ERG mode in a moment). It’s one CR2032 per crank arm. Giovanni. In this case the timing and responsiveness isn’t quite perfectly aligned. Losing confidence in this site. First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). Again, perhaps it’s the flywheel effect. Fix, not workaround . I had this too, after about one week of use, there was a perceptible thunk (felt through the pedals) at a rate that was .67 of my cadence, and then a loud rapid ticking (heard despite wearing headphones) this is intermittent but getting more frequently. I would like to support DCR and enjoy ad-free DC Rainmaker ($20 per year). I also find that powering off the bike and back on is required in order to get it to accept resistance control changes. Though in Stages case those measurements are laser-etched into the frame, versus just stickers on the other bikes. Ray! No one has yet “Apple’ized” the indoor experience (Maybe Peleton for that type of user). I generally don’t find much value in sites like that. Having a secondary app (ie the stages apps) could be the cause of your issues. Getting a smart bike so that it will be easier for my wife to ride as well, and we can avoid the hassle of swapping bikes on/off the Core. They just need more software developers. I notice in the Stages Owners guide – Stages indicates Rouvy does not work in ERG mode with the SB20. And finally … came across these the other day, I think through some random twitter link. Obviously 0.27 is depth, but which of the other numbers is the actual maximum extension length of the tablet holder arm? Either because it’s just resonating/absorbing differently in the cave, or something. Given the flexibility here, I imagine most folks will have no issues finding their right fit here. Use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with either the coupon code DCRAINMAKER for first time users saving 15% on applicable products. Plus, you'll be more awesome. It’s as simple as that. And is the flywheel thing something they could hypothetically update in future via a software update? thanks. What is the difference? When I connect the bike to Zwift via Apple TV (BT) In my mind, that should be just self-contained. What is notable though is that the Wahoo KICKR Bike *still* doesn’t support broadcasting out power via ANT+ or Bluetooth independently. ERG Mode working? You can gain … Stages says that the best option there is to use their Stages Link app, installed on each person’s own smartphone, and then to connect to the bike to set the gearing customizations that you want before starting your session (actually, you can technically set them mid-way through the session too). You should check out my videos. Ordered the bike near 3 weeks ago. E) Nine million pieces of packaging I write this comment because the negative are often magnified and not the satisfied users. 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. Hope your luck is better than mine, but you have a stronger case with Ray’s review at your disposal now. I’m not a pro and I’m very overweight, the bike is supposed to help me get back into shape physically. Shouldn’t this be 50:50 or 0:0 at that time? This is handy if you’re connecting to Zwift on an Apple TV, due to Apple TV’s two concurrent Bluetooth Smart sensor limitation (plus the Apple TV remote). Mark is not alone. It’s a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! Will do that today in a gallery. In my case I added it, but you can skip it (especially if you plan to add triathlon/TT bars later). I bought it from Wiggle, who annoyingly do not publish a phone number, I get email replies, but promised follow up contact has not happened yet. assembly went well but not able to use it for training. In any case, here’s how it compared against the Favero Assioma pedals: As you can see, it’s pretty darn close. I read both the stages review and tacx. Really annoying as you cannot have a ride upload through Garmin connect and give you intensity data. Hi, I just bought a Skillbike one week ago, and will give it back… Ray, if you had anything to do with prodding them to up their responsiveness, thanks! I am in the same situation, in my case for setting up our “mini-gym” between neighbours. Other than that i found the kickr to be gimmicky. To adjust a given component you’ll either use a rotating knob (saddle/seatpost/front post), or a lever (front handlebars fore/aft). These are used for connecting additional shifters you can place wherever you want. not at all acceptable. I resolved this by having the sufferfest just connect to the bike and not the individual power meters. Some of that will be tweaked via software, but some pieces are shortcomings in the actual shifters themselves. thx. Positives are the shifters and the tilt, although the latter again looks a bit rickety. You might think Peloton bike is similar to Stages Solo cycle, but it is not. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. What would it look like using the Assioma’s as the power source and enabling Powermatch? The Stages Bike doesn’t include any aerobars or specific aerobar kits. If you dive into the Road settings you’ll see options for 1x and 2x (meaning one chainring or two chainrings), and then options for 11 or 12 speed: In general, I think Dream Drive is probably where the goods are. I get the attached message but no love when I try to contact them for a shipping rate. ensured all drivers up-to-date, it doesn’t help. I was a pro road rider for 5 years and this bike is working very well for me in erg mode, which is all i ride. I wonder whether #3 is related to #1, but that’s just speculation. Wahoo wahoofitness.com. Mine was adjusted by a technician and it seems to grind still. D) Front end foreward/back: If lucky, a few seconds, if not lucky, 30 seconds of @#[email protected]# (it’s sticky). Of course, where the gap for them is, is the software. They’ve actually lost a lot of credit there for trying that on. It’s these same standards that also allow you to connect via head units too. Which was that the seat stay of those bikes were abnormally large, and thus would actually rub against certain people’s thighs (mine, and others). None in our bike shops though. I saw in the user guide that a 12 × 8.68 × 0.27 inch tablet is the max size supported. The Stages Bike sees it first, and then the Assioma about a second or so later: There’s virtually no practical difference in those though from a riding standpoint. Or are they a risky purchase at the current time? In the case of indoor bikes it’s a bit more tricky to have 2-3 other power meters, since you typically can’t swap out the crankset or rear hubs. The fire TV stick requires 1 amp. Keep in mind the measurement of the Stages Bike is at the crank arms, not somewhere in the drivetrain like most of the other bikes. Enjoying all these smart bike reviews. Contemplating replacing my Wattbike Pro with an Atom with the new resistance. of course, 1. i’m in the US, so your support system may differ, 2. none of my questions were urgent enough to demand an immediate response and 3. my questions were outside of the biggest holiday period of the year when most companies are either closed or have reduced to minimal support levels, i strongly disagree with your description of the support section of the website. Hopefully you found this review useful. On the other hand, the power readings still fluctuate enough above and below the target that Zwift won’t give me a “star” for the block more often than not (though to be honest, this could just be because I’m fairly new to cycling and Zwift, and haven’t figure out how use everything properly). Hmm, maybe that’s something that Stages can add in to the non FE-C channel. So if I’ve got a target power of 313w, it’ll range anywhere between ~285w and 335w. They were excellent–apologetic for the delay, thoughtful in their analysis, and helpful with next steps. The Workshop: StagesBike SB20 Customized Gearing. Probably quieter too. I have two questions related to this possible setup that I hoped you might be able to answer. Or do you think that with that price tag around 4/5 k € it is completely out of the market? I’ve just taken a video to send to Wahoo support. I have been a long-time Rouvy user for racing/group rides and also for structured workouts as Rouvy imports my Training Plan from TrainingPeaks and I was using the Rouvy Training APP (NOT the same as Rouvy AR app) to control my training. So once you’ve got it all paired up you’ll connect to the bike. Meaning, a lot of those products never made it to customers, but were held back. But wait – don’t skip the next section, there’s some important tidbits on ERG mode! Whilst the SB20 build is great there are clearly significant issues with software. On the USB question, the USB-A ports are 2.1A each. You mentioned here that there are two 2 amp USB ports. Nice to have to separate power connections. For example, for my accuracy testing section, I recorded the data on a Garmin Edge 830 & 1030 Plus, as well as the trainer apps. In the meantime I’m literally on the ATOM X as we speak doing a 90 minute workout. This thing is awesome on Zwift and stealth-sub quiet, particularly compared to my road bike on a Kurt kinetic. Ahh crap, I keep forgetting to add those photos to post. One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. I also power cycled everything I could think of, replaced the power meter batteries, and uninstalled/reinstalled the apps while everything was powered down. Realistically that’ll last you at least a year – unless you’re putting in crazy hours on it weekly. 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